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z64 If I had to pick a place in the ball menu, I think we could simply stack some iconography right aligned in this section. They ought to be identifiable, but we can make use of a tooltip for clarification.

IMO the solution from LKD70 is much better as you can really describe what is it instead of waiting for the user to hover the mouse above it to understand why there is a random icon dropped on the middle of the popup.

Vlad What is the value for the user in marking results as pure Kagi? (I am concerned about additional cognitive load and increase time to answer vs decreasing it).

Knowing which results are from Kagi is a huge move into letting the user understand what he is really paying for, I would say it's much more important than the number of searches for example. And as I said, there are still space on the crystal orb's fields, and if you think there is already too much, you can just reconsider about useless info like "https" and "fast".

z64

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IMO the solution from LKD70 is much better as you can really describe what is it instead of waiting for the user to hover the mouse above it to understand why there is a random icon dropped on the middle of the popup.

My intention is that I wouldn't want this information to be distracting - it is not that important compared to everything else we show. (It is not even about the result, or the domain it came from)

There are only a few sources we get results from. If the user doesn't know the logo already, a quick tooltip will inform them, and they'll probably not need to look at it again.

LKD70

Vlad "My" approach is an attempt to minimize the visibility of this change unless you're specifically looking for it.

I basically never look at the globe unless the colour of it has changed - Adding an icon inside of the existing globe shouldn;t draw any inattentive eyes - only drawing the attention of those actively seeking it.

If it adds an excessive overhead to load times I'd likely move away from this however - Though my main interest is to show how viable Kagi's own search indexer(s) are. Also to show which search indexers (bing/google/other) provide the most useful results to us (in the case of checking the extended information when clicking the globe). It's 90% curiosity, 10% wanting to brag about how great Kagis results are.

Vlad

LKD70

It's 90% curiosity, 10% wanting to brag about how great Kagis results are.

Got it, that is a good use case 🙂

We just need to find a way that is consistent and does not distract.

When I say consistent, for example all "Interesting Finds" and "Blast from the Past" section results are 100% Kagi, and I am not sure we would be able to add a globe to those.

Perhaps a filter for "show only kagi results?" (but this of course needs to be explictitly turned on)

KagiForMe

Vlad

Vlad When I say consistent, for example all "Interesting Finds" and "Blast from the Past" section results are 100% Kagi, and I am not sure we would be able to add a globe to those.

You could just add the symbol to the header of the section instead of every single link.

Vlad Perhaps a filter for "show only kagi results?" (but this of course needs to be explictitly turned on)

How about a list where users can choose their search sources from?

Another idea: Add the info fro which index a result is into the info panel. This would help demistify search and put users somewhat back into control. I feel like it would be very in line with Kagi's goals and ethos.

Vlad

As of today we are showing doggo graphic for results from Kagi's index.

Rene_b

Allow the user perhaps when clicking the SHIELD icon to see where (which DB) the search result is sourced from.

May refer to Discord https://discord.com/channels/849884108750061568/849884109240270890/1246476632345022516

Use this to find out the source for results. So one can request manual deletion there, if required.

Kagi4all

slamor

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html

There is really no proper information about search sources. We need to know what resources are used and at what rate.

Please make a more detailed and clear edit.

Vlad

slamor Is there any particular reason you are asking for this? More context will help us better understand the need.

slamor

Vlad why not?

hulda

(initially written as a reply for https://kagifeedback.org/d/4727-option-to-choose-or-exclude-specific-external-indexes which seems related, but really this thread is more appropriate)

As a very recent Kagi user (I've started using it only today), I've both been pleasantly surprised with the features (lenses, ranking adjustments, inclusion of web archive results, etc.) and a bit miffed by the "All results from external indexes" shown on my first few searches.

My immediate first reaction was "isn't its own index Kagi's main selling point?", then I read https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html which makes sense, but does not list all sources, and especially not Google, Bing, Yandex, etc., nor any "average proportion of Teclis-sourced results that can be expected". (ok, you advertise very little telemetry, but surely you anonymously gather that information on the backend's side, right?)

My immediate second reaction was "ok, if All results from external indexes, then which ones and which result comes from which index?"
I can understand DuckDuckGo not showing the source index as it's targeted to mainstream users who might satisfy themselves with "most results come from Bing, some from Google, others from elsewhere" (or who might be plenty satisfied by believing DuckDuckGo has its own index, for that matter).

But Kagi seems targeted at power users who might want to know more.

Having the possibility to configure the used indexes would be ideal, of course (a feature lenses somewhat provides, but not at the index level), but simply listing from which index each results comes from e.g. in the "shield popup" (not sure it's called that), with an option to show it right alongside the URL, would already go a long way.

Not a dealbreaker for me, but if it was implemented, it might be a good reason for me to immediately subscribe without ever looking at, say, self-hosting a SearX instance (I'll probably still become a paying Kagi user, just because of the features Kagi already has, which seem already superior to ad-based alternatives).

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