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seventhwave

Ok just to be clearer...my thought was: exactly that

but imagine that instead of the globe there's the "g" of the kagi logo

Vlad So two icons?

yes BUT not in the same place.
I don't think that will be useful to put this icon near the globe one, because:

there's no action tied to this icon
there's no popup that opens after clicking

It's only an "informative" thing, and we could put somewhere else, for example near the URL.

Putting two icons right would be very confusing, also because the current one (the globe) has actions attached, while the news would be informative only

Sorry @Vlad I was trying to do a mockup, but I can't manipulate the .svg file...I continue trying it, maybe today I'll be able to give you something

httpjames

I like this idea. I wouldn’t mind two icons.

Vlad

Can someone make a mockup of what you have in mind?

FunPost

Vlad how about making the orb a different color ? just like how the orb turns yellow when you change the ranking, I'm not sure which color it would be yet since kagi and teclis use a similar colorscheme, but something like light blue might work.

FunPost

Vlad this is the best I could do

FunPost

another option could be to have a small kagi logo at the edge of the result

Vlad

FunPost Our original idea was to add similar indicator inside the crystal orb popup (to keep main search results cleaner)

LKD70

Vlad I like this approach, may be a little hard to spot at first, but an addition of an explanation in the popup would help

Rough examples:

seventhwave

Vlad Our original idea was to add similar indicator inside the crystal orb popup (to keep main search results cleaner)

If you put this inside the popup, we'll be forced to open every popup to have an idea of the source...and nobody will do that (so will be a useless feature).
instead, we can go with LKD70 approach: a "search engine" symbol inside the orb.
it's unintrusive, but if you really need it you can look at it, simultaneously for every result in the list.
Will we have to put also a symbol for the others engines? (a "B" for Bing, etc?)
I think that we can think about it later; however, I don't imagine why someone would know exactly the index that has generated the result (other than curiosity or general knowledge).
Instead, knowing that is from Kagi has a product feedback ("look, Kagi index is good") and a privacy value for the users ( maybe someone trust Kagi index more than others)

Browsing6853

z64 If I had to pick a place in the ball menu, I think we could simply stack some iconography right aligned in this section. They ought to be identifiable, but we can make use of a tooltip for clarification.

IMO the solution from LKD70 is much better as you can really describe what is it instead of waiting for the user to hover the mouse above it to understand why there is a random icon dropped on the middle of the popup.

Vlad What is the value for the user in marking results as pure Kagi? (I am concerned about additional cognitive load and increase time to answer vs decreasing it).

Knowing which results are from Kagi is a huge move into letting the user understand what he is really paying for, I would say it's much more important than the number of searches for example. And as I said, there are still space on the crystal orb's fields, and if you think there is already too much, you can just reconsider about useless info like "https" and "fast".

z64

I think the "G" crystal ball is a nice idea! It looks good. Maybe we could do that for pure Kagi index results, and if its from any other source, show more info in the crystal ball.

If I had to pick a place in the ball menu, I think we could simply stack some iconography right aligned in this section. They ought to be identifiable, but we can make use of a tooltip for clarification.

seventhwave

z64 I like this placement for other indexes.
However: do you think would be a bad idea something like source: Bing right aligned (and maybe smaller)?
space shouldn't be an issue there for the moment...and this popup is only text-driven (the icons at the bottom are "cosmetic", because we have text)

Vlad

What is the value for the user in marking results as pure Kagi? (I am concerned about additional cognitive load and increase time to answer vs decreasing it).

LKD70

Vlad "My" approach is an attempt to minimize the visibility of this change unless you're specifically looking for it.

I basically never look at the globe unless the colour of it has changed - Adding an icon inside of the existing globe shouldn;t draw any inattentive eyes - only drawing the attention of those actively seeking it.

If it adds an excessive overhead to load times I'd likely move away from this however - Though my main interest is to show how viable Kagi's own search indexer(s) are. Also to show which search indexers (bing/google/other) provide the most useful results to us (in the case of checking the extended information when clicking the globe). It's 90% curiosity, 10% wanting to brag about how great Kagis results are.

z64

Browsing6853

IMO the solution from LKD70 is much better as you can really describe what is it instead of waiting for the user to hover the mouse above it to understand why there is a random icon dropped on the middle of the popup.

My intention is that I wouldn't want this information to be distracting - it is not that important compared to everything else we show. (It is not even about the result, or the domain it came from)

There are only a few sources we get results from. If the user doesn't know the logo already, a quick tooltip will inform them, and they'll probably not need to look at it again.

Vlad

LKD70

It's 90% curiosity, 10% wanting to brag about how great Kagis results are.

Got it, that is a good use case 🙂

We just need to find a way that is consistent and does not distract.

When I say consistent, for example all "Interesting Finds" and "Blast from the Past" section results are 100% Kagi, and I am not sure we would be able to add a globe to those.

Perhaps a filter for "show only kagi results?" (but this of course needs to be explictitly turned on)

KagiForMe

Vlad

Vlad When I say consistent, for example all "Interesting Finds" and "Blast from the Past" section results are 100% Kagi, and I am not sure we would be able to add a globe to those.

You could just add the symbol to the header of the section instead of every single link.

Vlad Perhaps a filter for "show only kagi results?" (but this of course needs to be explictitly turned on)

How about a list where users can choose their search sources from?

Another idea: Add the info fro which index a result is into the info panel. This would help demistify search and put users somewhat back into control. I feel like it would be very in line with Kagi's goals and ethos.

Vlad

As of today we are showing doggo graphic for results from Kagi's index.

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