Ability to see my member number

Vlad

whatsamonad What if they are no longer a subscriber?

And btw since Kagi does not really need or verify user's email address we get a ton of spam registrations so although we have 20k paying members if you subbed today you would probably get id of 150k or something (with simple ID number)

Value7609

Vlad ah true I didn't think about this. Then I'd say the member count should be defined and incremented once a user subscribed. So the number basically means the {n}th person who subscribed for Kagi Search

gladiator2339

Vlad Slightly out of topic but I'm curious: is the 20k surprise for the paid members at the time of that milestone? What if someone unsubs before the merch store release?

Vlad

Value7609 This runs into a problem that the number would be inflated by the number of people who unsubscribed in the meantime.

So for example you would have id 25,000, but still be in the first 20,000 currently active members (which is what I would assume most people would use this number for)

Vlad

gladiator2339 They would not get the tshirt. We will take 20k first/oldest active subs at the time store launches.

CrunchyFritos

I think basing it on when a user first subscribed (i.e. paid) makes sense, especially since this is how the Kagi stats number appears to be calculated.

A couple arguments for a dynamic number:

A dynamic would encourage retention even more: You lose your number by unsubscribing, and I can increment my number by staying around.
The dynamic number would better match the kagi stats number that was there when I first signed up.

Vlad

CrunchyFritos So basically you are advocating for number being:

"You are active subscriber no. 14516"

And it slowly goes down as you stick around and other people cancel?

Where would this be shown?

What happens if you cancel and resub in the future? I think we should take your first ever sub record not the last one to determine your position?

ps. I hope this simple exercise shows how nothing is ever simple, and requires thought and nuance. Happy to have an engaged community like this to help us bridge things.

CrunchyFritos

Vlad hah. yeah. fair. I can see how it could create more headache than it's worth. In my head I just remember the Kagi stats page was around 14k when I joined so that's the number I think of when I think of my own "member number."

xigoi

I think “the number of accounts who made their first payment before you” is the most intuitive.

Vlad

xigoi

"the number of accounts with an active subscription who made their first payment before you" is closer to what people would expect to see.

Slight issue there, if you cancel but have some days to cancellation, technically you do not have an active subscription, but should be considered a member.

xigoi

I don’t think it should matter whether the other accounts are currently active. They’re still part of Kagi’s history.

xigoi

In other words, one should be able to say something like “I was the 16384th person to ever pay for a search engine”.

Vlad

It does create a bit of confusion regarding our 20k tshirts giveaway, as you can have higher number and still get it.

But I do like the wording of "I was the 16384th person to ever pay for a search engine."

stoyle

Where can I find the number? I see there is a change in the early adopter badge, but it only shows the month, which is visible in the accounts settings as well.

Vlad

stoyle Number was tricky to show. Ie what happens with your number if you cancel sub? Do you lose the number (as you are not a techinically a member anymore..) so we just opted to show date.

stoyle

Vlad ok, no worries. I just already new the date/month 👍