Suggestion Request : Host your own blog on kagi and get indexed in kagi search

Hanbyeol

lol I was just about to talk about Naver too.

In South Korea, "web portals" already do this.
Naver, the most popular site in the country, hosts blogs in a URL format like "blog.naver.com/username/random post id".

And their "blog" search results only show blog posts within the "walled garden". (And I don't like this)

e.g.
https://search.naver.com/search.naver?ssc=tab.blog.all&sm=tab_jum&query=iPhone

Naver blogs are also criticized in Korea for problems such as advertisements and paid reviews.

Edited for more context :
As I always expect from Naver, just saw a post about a "sponsored visit" to the LG Electronics store.

(Why LG Electronics was mentioned in a post -- they started selling iPhones in their stores after they got out of the smartphone business)

gladiator2339

Hanbyeol Hi, fellow Korean!

Kagi would obviously not do this, but it's also not easy to keep out spams like this as well and Kagi's userbase is too small to keep it paid service(tied to the subscription) yet. I love the idea but I'm equally critical of this.

oreoro

gladiator2339 Spam issue can be solved with modern solutions and human feedback. Obvisuoly , spammy content wont be rasied by kagi search users so they would not be shown on the front page index
An example would be hackernews where many spam articles are posted and only quality content is raised.

I also think kagi can potentailly attract new user base through kagiblog indirect marketing (i.e users sharing kagiblog links or someone who is interested in a privacy focused blogging platform)

Regarding the pay wall thing, I am not an economic expert by any means but I guess we can atleast try the pilot and see if enough people like this.Kagi can always discontinue such a service at a very little expense imo)

carl

oreoro By hosting on kagi , Other kagi users can easily comment/engage with the content without having to create a new account and avoid annoying stuff like pay walls etc.

In my opinion putting a paywall is probably the most important feature that a blog creator will need. Making high quality writing is a full time job, and can also often cost the writer a deal of money. For example if they need to purchase things to review, etc. It's also fair that a writer who is popular enough gets paid for her work by the readers.

If Kagi could make a platform with blog hosting, search, and money distribution from readers to creators, then that would be a really cool concept in my opinion. That would be like YouTube Premium or Kindle Unlimited for blogs (or any web content).

oreoro

@carl imho this idea is intended for new bloggers so that easily get started writing blog posts and get feedback without having to do SEO or spam tricks.
A serious blogger would ideally be on established blogging sites and once kagi bloggers feel ready they are always free to jump to a larger platform.
A ideal case would be a blogger who would be comfortable to keep writing blogs for kagi community and does not want to commit it as a full time job.

Hanbyeol

oreoro Obvisuoly , spammy content wont be rasied by kagi search users so they would not be shown on the front page index
An example would be hackernews where many spam articles are posted and only quality content is raised.

If the OP's suggestion is that Kagi's search results be determined by other people's votes, even by the "community", then frankly I don't want that.

The OP also mentioned using HN, and I also discovered Kagi from HN. As another commenter wrote earlier, there are probably a lot of people like that here, and I think there will be a lot of similarities (political leanings, cultural background, etc.) and it could be biased.
To be clear, I don't mind if we have a "Kagi blog," but it would be nice to at least have an option to opt out of the search results. (I think personalization is one of Kagi's advantages).

oreoro

gladiator2339
I self host my own blog but what every bloggers needs is a good communuty who responds critically to blog posts.The idea is to have kagi users engage with each other content without leaving the platform.

oreoro

Hanbyeol I cant comment on poltiical stuff due to my ignoranace.
username.kagiblogs.com should work like any other domain. Individual users can raise the content from a particular author(username.kagiblogs.com) if they like such content.
Kagi users can always personalize to opt out of the search results
I want to emphasize that username.kagiblogs.com will not be getting any special treatment and its merit will always be quality.

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Kagi in any capacity, and I am only a forum member.

carl

Hanbyeol If the OP's suggestion is that Kagi's search results be determined by other people's votes, even by the "community", then frankly I don't want that.

Communal results voting would destroy Kagi. Search results shouldn't be determined by how a small group of activists spend their effort.

As I understood, @oreoro suggested that Kagi blogs could be ranked by the individual user just like it works today.

oreoro

To prevent spam, A good mesaure would be how old is the account before posting and is it trusted account. (i.e email verification, mobile or any relevant metric)
Another measure could be limiting users to submit their blog posts once a day .
Imho, Due to the paid nature of kagi, there is sufficient spam filter system already in place.

Hanbyeol

Thanks for clarifying.
Again, I don't really care if we have a blog as long as it doesn't get in the way of the main search functionality.
But I would also like to emphasize that I subscribed to Kagi for the search engine and simplicity, not for the need to communicate with others or post.

I guess it's because the company is interested in expanding other services, but I'd also like to hear some input from the Kagi team on this thread - since this thread is sticky.

Edit : Scrapped off-topic parts.

oreoro

Hanbyeol Since kagi services are personalized , you always have the ability to enable or disable the blog thing .That way you can continue to enjoy the main search functionality without any hinderence

oreoro

It is only natural for a company to grow apart from its core product. This usually means having new products that synergize well with its competencies. In this case, Kagi's core product is its search engine, and the blog is leveraging its core product to some extent.

Thibaultmol

It's an interesting idea but oh boy is this going to introduce a bunch of moderation bs they'll have to deal with.
There's a reason why a lot of people host blogs on their own website, because they don't need to worry about the place hosting their blog all of a sudden banning them for whatever reason and then the resulting backlash happening

oreoro

Thibaultmol thats an interesting point but someone wont risk their kagi membership for some illegal/morally wrong stuff eitherway.

Imho moderation should be fair as long as its legal and morally correct.

Like i mentioned earlier in the thread,kagi is a paid service and that inherently places some barriers for spam/bad actors.Another mechanism is to only allow kagi users to post 1 per day which will help ease the load for human moderators.

I guess we have to worry about people using the sevice as opposed to banning people without even launching!
That problem is not a major issue imo. If x amount of users "block" or "lower the post then kagi automaically block the user from posting content on their blogs for a certain time period . That way the user has to blame other users instead of kagi!

Please note that I am not affilited with kagi in any capacity

carl

oreoro thats an interesting point but someone wont risk their kagi membership for some illegal/morally wrong stuff eitherway.

Imho moderation should be fair as long as its legal and morally correct.

I'm completely against that kind of suggestion. Every person has their own idea of what is immoral, and every country has their own laws. If Kagi hosts blogs, there will be controversial content from day one, because people will want to express their views on everything, including world news. If Kagi starts censoring blogs, or lets activist user censor blogs by the process you're suggesting, then that is the wrong decision. In that case it's better if they just host a few invited blogs.

Hanbyeol What do you think about the idea of creating a Kagi Reader? Just a guess, but it looks to me like Google has used data from Google Reader to show popular posts in the past.

I've suggested a similar way to browse results, in this post: https://kagifeedback.org/d/5401-suggestion-gui-mockup-for-ios-kagi-app

Kagi could also take inspiration from the NetNewsWire desktop app, to combine search, feeds and AI conversations. They would fit snugly in the sidebar.

Hanbyeol

Thinking about the moderation part, I remembered a memory from my childhood.
Even Google changed its front page and introduced "popular blog posts" in Korea a decade ago.

Their announcement, back in 2009 (in Korean)
https://korea.googleblog.com/2009/12/blog-post.html

Looking at the archived pages on the Wayback Machine, it appears that Google was reading RSS feeds and displaying a number of blog posts on the front page

like the screenshot below showing a post from Engadget Korea, now defunct
https://web.archive.org/web/20100511130816/http://www.google.co.kr/

The redesign was clearly aimed at Korean sites like Naver. According to the announcement, South Korea was the first and only country in the world to make this change.

I also remember some people complaining about it, and I saw some people deliberately using the US Google for the simple front page (google.com instead of google.co.kr).

Anyway, after a year or so, popular blog posts disappeared from Google Korea. (around fall or winter 2010, according to the Wayback Machine)

google.co.kr in November 2010, blog posts section completely wiped out
https://web.archive.org/web/20101106090650/http://www.google.co.kr/

Hanbyeol

Not trying to ask the OP to answer this, but a question I'd like to ask:

Google also wanted to gain additional attention from Korean users, so they gave their real estate to several blog posts and not successful. So how can Kagi attract authors/visitors?

Edited with new idea:

What do you think about the idea of creating a Kagi Reader? Just a guess, but it looks to me like Google has used data from Google Reader to show popular posts in the past.

I think Kagi could rate quality blogs in a similar approach. Even without the possible liability of hosting the content.

httpjames

Being able to host a blog on Kagi could be a cool Ultimate perk. I personally stopped hosting my blog due to maintenance reasons, but if it could be managed for me, maybe I'll start writing again.

oreoro

httpjames thats incredible!

Vlad

httpjames What kind of software would you be expecting to have?

Hanbyeol

carl I've suggested a similar way to browse results, in this post: https://kagifeedback.org/d/5401-suggestion-gui-mockup-for-ios-kagi-app

Wow, I'm really surprised by your commitment to making design suggestions. Thanks for sharing!