Option to turn off all AI features

Thibaultmol

feel free to post it as a gist on gist.github.com

Then it can be added to https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/custom-css.html

and this issue could be considered solved in a way

press-f

I would gladly pay extra for a plan that:

does not have any AI features;
will not add AI features in the future;
does not try to upsell me into enabling AI features.

I'm fine with ignoring all the sparkle buttons, but it'd be a lot easier if they just weren't there to begin with.

Before:

after:

Thibaultmol

I don't think making a plan that costs more and has less features is going to happen because it doesn't really make sense.

I was going to say that not showing the AI services in the app menu could be a feature requests, but actually seeing as all plans will soon include a base amount of ai usage, those would have to be there.

I think this issue can be merged with https://kagifeedback.org/d/4014-option-to-turn-off-all-ai-features if you agree with that.

About the apps menu: I think it might be possible to create custom css that removes those options from the menu. I'll try and look into that for you

press-f

Thibaultmol I would argue having a plan that costs more and has fewer features would make it make sense from a business perspective. Of course, it's not a value proposition for most users, but it would be for me.
Having said that, I'll settle for a free master kill switch as discussed in the other thread. Feel free to merge.

Thibaultmol

If you add this to your custom css setting
It should make all the other options dissapear except for kagi search and small web:

.nav-item-link {
    display: none !important;
}

/* Only show Search and Small Web */
.nav-item-link#search,
.nav-item-link[href="https://kagi.com/smallweb"] {
    display: flex !important;
}

/* Hide the horizontal rule */
.border-t {
    display: none !important;
}

/* Ensure proper spacing */
.list_items {
    gap: 8px;
    display: flex;
    flex-direction: column;
}

Thibaultmol

press-f it would look really confusing on a pricing page tbf.
After having installed that custom css, what are the main other things you'd like to not see? It can probably be made invisible using simple css as well tbf

press-f

Thibaultmol Yes, I've been playing around with custom CSS and hiding more things. This is what I ended up with:

a.nav-item-link[href="https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html"],
a.nav-item-link[href="https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html"],
a.nav-item-link[href="https://kagi.com/fastgpt"],
a.nav-item-link[href="https://translate.kagi.com/"] {
    display: none !important;
}

._0_summarize_link {
    display: none !important;
}

I've found that your earlier suggestion also hides the link to the settings page in the Control Center. Luckily, the switch to disable the custom stylesheet was still visible.

rtbick

I'm trialing Kagi as an alternative to Google. One of the main things I am looking for is a user experience with zero involvement of AI/LLM. Unfortunately Kagi search has the "Quick Answer" and "Summarize page" features, which ise AI. I would like the ability to completely hide/disable these and any other AI features while using Kagi.

I would disable the AI features immediately, and would expect to never see them again (the settings would persist across updates). I'm not aware of any other apps that have this feature.

Dustin

rtbick the features are off by default, is that not enough? The grocery store stocks foods you don't like and you still shop there, right?

carl

Don't click those buttons.

rtbick

Dustin They're not off by default - I had to go turn off "use quick answer when the query ends in a question mark". And, the button that I will never want to tap on is still there.

Your grocery analogy doesn't make any sense. If I'm going to spend money on a tool, I want it to be very very good at the thing I want, and not try to make me do things I don't want. It's more like: wanting a refrigerator with no IoT features, but every fridge that I shop for has UX that constantly suggests I connect it to wifi.

I would suggest you read back through the thread that my request was merged into.

RoxyRoxyRoxy

rtbick I think it's fair to want to totally disable all AI options (especially in the case of something like #6410) but you're being a little disingenuous in portraying how Kagi uses AI. This isn't Microsoft shoving Copilot into your taskbar, there's no popups reminding you about Quick Answer or asking you to use it. Having a button there isn't "trying to make you" use AI, just as having a power off button above my keyboard isn't trying to make me power off my PC in the middle of work.
Also because Quick Answer interactions are billed as a separate search, @Dustin 's analogy makes perfect sense, you're not paying for any AI unless you use it, just as you don't pay for a can of soup unless you put it in your cart and check out.

Uno-Selecta

@Vlad I agree with @[deleted] completely. I'm here to point out that it seems impossible to fully disable "quick answer". I have auto-quick-answer switched off, but I still, without requesting or wanting it and with no ? in my query, get this (poor-quality) quick answer:

So it appears there are other, less-documented quick-answer triggers aside from ?, such as the word "Define". These ought to be disabled when I switch off auto-quick-answer; why are they not?

To be clear: do whatever it is you do to parse my search queries, but I do not ever want an 'AI' interpretation or summary of the search results. How do I get that, please?

Dustin

Uno-Selecta that’s not an “AI”feature but a normal feature in all search engines for over a decade. It just happens to be wrong.

Incidentally, if you spell blasé correctly, it doesn’t give you a definition as expected. 🤔

Thibaultmol

as @Dustin said
if you actually click the 'more info' button, you'll see where the data is coming from and it's not ai

Chris027

I've been a subscriber for a year and love Kagi, but I can't help but complain about its use of AI. I saw the notification about Kagi assistant being available, and a link to the Kagi Fair Use policy. That's where I saw all kinds of rules and protections and commercial use statements. As someone who creates content that is being ripped off by AI, I find it a bit disingenuous to see companies ripping off content, then shutting the door to others trying to use their services in a way they don't like. It's like Cheech and Chong, "Somebody ripped off the thing I ripped off."

The entire assistant feature and AI in Kagi only exists becuase of stolen data. It's the original sin of AI.

N/A

zerodogg

I've made a CSS snippet that I'm maintaining at https://codeberg.org/zerodogg/kagi-no-ai#kagi-no-ai-css
This is also linked from https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/custom-css.html now. It's not a full deactivation, but useful as a stopgap measure.

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