Peter you must eliminate all API sources because other sources are just as bad.
They're not "just as bad". There's a difference between tracking people and denying them healthcare, for example, or wanting them dead.
I can sympathize with the feeling of "well, every option is terrible, why should we even try", believe me. But there are distinctions.
It's Kagi's duty as a company to create their own moral compass, communicate it, and stand by it. If your compass says "our users' privacy is important, but we don't care one bit about gay rights", that's okay. It's a valid position to have. It's equally valid for some of your potential users however to then say "wow, what a horrible thing to say" and take their business elsewhere.
What Kagi is trying, however, is to say "our users' privacy is important, but we have no opinion on whether gay people should be allowed to marry or not". And that just doesn't work if it's a topic that people care about.
carl once these kind of groups set their teeth into an organisation, they never let go, until there's just bones left
carl dealing Mr Eich the same way as suspected political enemies were dealt with during the Stalin era of the Soviet Union
carl, I would appreciate if you could dial down the conspiracy theories and McCarthyism a bit.
carl I see threatening language against Kagi repeatedly used in this thread.
I didn't. Please show me a few examples. Note that "I'm leaving" isn't a threat. "I'm not buying in your store" and "I'm not talking to someone with that kind of opinion" aren't threats either.
carl he's just a convenient target because the activists do not see him as a threat to their life
The exact opposite is true. Brendan Eich is being called out exactly because he is supporting legislation that threatens the life of people.
carl Kagi paying someone who then uses that money to finance campaigns against minorities...
I've seen no evidence for that.
It's really not that hard to see. Kagi is paying for Brave's API. Brave is paying Eich. And Eich is donating to campaigns such as Prop8, which is why we're in this situation in the first place.
Because it doesn't solve the main issue: Brendan Eich supporting anti-queer legislation. When I read this post, I see a lot of "at Mozilla, I will X", "Mozilla has always been X", and "Mozilla will continue to X". Where is "I, as a person, have reconsidered my views"? Where is "I have decided to donate amount X to gay rights charity Y"? Well, it's not there, because Brendan Eich's views have not changed, and he's trying to weasel himself out of admitting that. People saw right through this.
And before you ask: Yes, it's totally his right to oppose gay marriage. However, it's also the right of gay marriage proponents to oppose Brendan Eich in return. Freedom of speech works both ways.
Dustin I think this is incredibly unfair, unreasonable and frankly a ridiculous mischaracterization of the issue.
And I think it's an excellent example of privilege in action. For some of you, the whole issue is about whether Brave provides good technology or not. But for others, who are thinking a few steps ahead, it is about protecting their freedom, their physical safety, and ultimately, their life.
In a country where anti-LGBTQ hate crimes have increased almost 20 percent from 2021 to 2022 alone, curtailing gay rights directly leads to people getting hurt or killed. This article explains it in a single sentence:
The constant stream of hostile rhetoric from fringe anti-equality figures, alongside the relentless passage of discriminatory bills, particularly those targeting transgender individuals, in state legislatures, created an environment where it was sadly foreseeable that individuals with violent tendencies might respond to this rhetoric
Look, it's "okay" if you have never thought about the struggles of queer life. That's part of what "privilege" means: You never had to. Good for you. I never really had to either. But I chose to. And when you do that, you realize "huh, giving money to anti-equality campaigns actually hurts people who have done nothing wrong". And at that moment, you have a choice. You can say "well, I'm not gay, so I don't care, I want my search results to be 1 % better". Or you can say "okay no, this is not right, I cannot stand for this".
