Kagi Mail: Suggestions Based on My Personal Email Experience

EricR

tux0r Encryption plans are not set in stone yet.

When I say building on top of Stalwart, I mean that it provides us with the necessary email plumbing and tools. I can't go into detail about specific features yet, but we will put our efforts into, for example, inbox management.

tux0r

EricR Encryption plans are not set in stone yet.

Here's my vote for them being really important. 🙂

EricR I can't go into detail about specific features yet

Go on, keep us curious...

Thank you for your update!

the_real_urusaiyatsu

EricR Would love early access to assist with testing

eganonoa

EricR Thanks for this update. Focusing on inbox management is definitely where I see your value-add. You say that Kagi Mail will be able to be accessed from other mail clients. Will it go the other way around also: i.e. will your (web)mail client be able to pull in email from other services via IMAP or POP3?

EricR

We are using JMAP for the webmail client, so theoretically it could. However JMAP does limit which providers it would be able to connect to (EDIT: due to the providers not supporting JMAP, as mentioned below).

Will not be a 1.0 feature, it is a possibility in the future, but can't give any promises on the if/when.

tux0r

EricR However JMAP does limit which providers it would be able to connect to.

Note that many e-mail servers, especially those not being run by large companies, don’t even support JMAP. So the logic is actually the other way around: JMAP is not limited. But it’s not supported well.

the_real_urusaiyatsu

Pleonasm Can you patent _ethics__? A or B choice is for the consumer to use the functionality or not, as opposed to implement or not. I rarely use the Summariser, but don't advocate for it to be removed.

ctoliver94

EricR I mean, well I guess this kinda begs the question (at least from my POV) of how wide of services are you trying to have? I really could do without another Microsoft/Google/Apple/Meta "WE HAVE EVERYTHING" ecosystem, and it does scare me a bit that down the line that's the brick road our faces our at.

I believe strongly in Kagi...but, Google was once a company worth liking, too.

Not trying to cause issues or anything, just adding my two cents here.

Pleonasm

I also "believe strongly in Kagi." For this reason, I suspect it would be in the company's best interest to focus on enhancing the core search experience to make it truly a premium product, by addressing the pain points documented in this forum and by adding features and functionality that more strongly distinguish it from the competition.

My hope is that quality of the core search experience evolves to a superior level of excellence, such that the question of "Why should I pay for search?" becomes irrelevant in the minds of consumers considering Kagi. I think it can happen - but, it is likely to happen more quickly and more successfully if the company has a singular obsession on the search functionality.

ctoliver94

Pleonasm Whole-heartedly agree!

RobOK

I have been looking to de-Googlfy (its hard) and don't agree with many that say "email has been solved" -- there are a lot of different elements that need to be balanced - privacy, usability, integration, User interface. For one of my accounts I am using MailFence (have not seen it mentioned). It is better privacy than Google but less than Proton.

Email Privacy - this topic needs a deeper dive. There are many points where email is exposed (I am not an expert so correct me), most concentrate on your stored mail but mail in motion is a big risk too even if you use Proton or others

your device to your ISP (mitigated by a VPN)
the sending email server (ProtonMail, FastMail, etc.)
the servers along the way (the contents may be protected but not the envelope)
the receiving email server - if you send emails to people on Gmail, google sees it

I only post that by way of saying the more we get EVERYONE off google the better!

RobOK

In terms of UI, i hope you steal the UI/UX design from SuperHuman. Sleek, fast, keyboard driven. Don't adopt their subscription price!

InternetChunk

I’ve just looked it up LMAO WHAT. For an unheard of company charging at least 25$ a month for mail is so outrageous and ludicrous I can’t even begin to fathom it.

RobOK

InternetChunk are you talking about SuperHuman? Yes expensive. To be clear, it is not even an email service just the UI for Gmail or Outlook. Having said that, it is fantastic and addicting. Super fast and keyboard optimized (like the Sublime editor if you are familiar with that). SuperHuman is hugely popular in silicon valley and was recently acquired by Grammarly. BTW, don't sleep on Grammarly -- it is an AI powered plugin with millions of existing users

jstrider

InternetChunk SuperHuman has been pretty popular for a while.

InternetChunk

RobOK Frontend for gmail for 25$ is absurd.
Regarding AI slop correcting grammar like Grammarly - autocorrect is a thing and if someone wants their sentences to sound more professional.. read more books.
But if Kagi would add something like that make it absolutely opt in optional, I never wish to see AI shoved down my throat by default.

RobOK

OK. my post really was about the UI of Superhuman. I don't use AI features in email. 🤝

ritzy_duck

Kagi Team: Please stick to search & translation. Would love to see translation built out with an API option.

I really have no need or interest in another email option. I currently use & pay a provider that does only one thing and does it exceptionally well: email. I think there's a lesson there. Trying to do too many things is a recipe for mediocrity at best - disaster at worst.

bln

ritzy_duck I find it ironic that you include translation there, arguably it’s no more “core” to Kagi’s initial product than email.

wieli

I believe the topic of privacy needs to be discussed more prominently. There's 0% chance of me using or recommending a mail service to anyone if it's hosted in the U.S. or any of the eyes countries for that matter. In fact, it might even be problematic that Kagi itself is headquartered there.

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