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Honestly, I think the ultimate plan should be discontinued and the focus should be shifted towards the starter and professional plans. Early access features should be optionally enabled for professional plan subscribers. The ultimate plan doesn't offer many benefits compared to the professional plan, and paying more than double the amount for early-access features doesn't seem reasonable. It's better to stick with the two main plans. Additionally, some of the suggested features don't justify the high subscription fee. If anyone wishes to provide further financial support to Kagi, they can do so through donations. In return, you can offer them some premium theme or whatever. This is just my opinion.

    xkc7

    The ultimate plan doesn't offer many benefits compared to the professional plan

    For those who don't need or understand the value of having access to the most powerful LLMs, the professional plan is great. However, it doesn't seem feasable for Kagi to offer such cost intensive features for mere 10$.

        mullinggroove I agree with this. The ultimate plan right now seems to cater mostly to people interested in more AI features with more privacy, etc. For me, the convenience of these extra AI features has been indispensable and I am a happy Ultimate plan subscriber and would love to see this further built out.

        FWIW I’m a little surprised by some of the pushback against LLM generated answers (So long as Kagi sticks to its principles for AI integration). Using regular Internet search has always required a degree of skepticism and source-checking already since it’s not as if everything on the Internet is de facto true. IMO that’s pretty analogous to how we ought to be treating LLM results.

        smartbeach When it comes to image generation, I actually think that it does fit in with a search context. When I am doing an image search, sometimes I’m trying to find the exact right image to put into a website or presentation and in that case image generation could plausibly provide an even better result than search. Maybe it could just be an option that the user can select to run when an existing image search doesn’t deliver a desirable result (I’m thinking of a UI kind of like Quick Answer).

              As for new features for ultimate plan i would like to be able to upload larger files for analysis. It currently is set to 16mb which is great for documents. But for audio and video it is not really realistic. I can always compress it but having an increased upload limit would be nice. Maybe 50 to 100 mb

              CrunchyFritos I see your point but that could be said about anything. For example "I think Kagi should sell custom made candy because if I'm looking for a specific taste of candy it might be easier if they just made it custom for me." I realize it might sound like I'm mocking your use-case but that's not my intention, I just mean to show that "creating what I want" can be applied to most things, and is different from "finding what I want."

              Of course, they're not necessarily limited to only being a search engine (they already aren't) but personally I'd rather see them focus innovation and make a great search rather than integrating with more (already existing) AI services. If it's an easy and cheap addition though, then just go for it! (but I suspect it's not)

                Also it will be a miracle to see LLM embed online picture for reference in "research". It will make it much more enjoyable when LLM explain some concepts that must include a graph (typically academic stuff). I haven't seen any AI-integrated search engine does a great job on this. If Kagi can implement such feature through some refined vision LLM, it would definitely be a killer feature that attracts more user to use it as a academic study tool.

                  mullinggroove Honestly, I am already really happy with what I already have for now. If ultimate plan having more features therefore it's not feasible for Kagi to keep it $25 mark as is, I'd rather not have such feature. I don't think LLM feature makes sense to be available to Professional plan cost wise either. I'd rather pay more than to see Kagi fade away.

                  Email proxy like Simplelogin is what I want btw.

                    For research mode, maybe something like scholarai?

                      The best "features" (for me) would be:

                      • faster search results (the average 1.6s is waaay too slow)
                      • search API access.
                      • Vlad replied to this.

                        ak42 I recommend opening a new bug report to document your average search results. We definitely do not see that in our metrics so we'd like to find out what causes it.

                            perplexity includes image results interspersed with the response to each query. I'd love to see Kagi integrate that functionality.

                            8 days later

                            As an Ultimate user for a month now - what would I like to see in Ultimate?

                            • An Ultimate Discord channel (maybe Ultimate Only?). (Not super important but would be cool).
                            • Being "part of the team" is a great feeling - don't need "thanks" but maybe having more visibility of company direction, stats, merch, etc would be really cool.
                            • AI Assistant - The ability to turn on citation of resources with easy links in chat mode.
                            • AI Assistant - I would love to know a tally of my AI usage - just like the search counter.
                            • AI Assistant - The option to buy more AI credits if I'm using too many instead of a hard cut off (sometimes I have the weekends to myself and spend hours researching) 😛.
                            • The ability to turn on a Stats for Nerds option - access to more company stats, or my own behind the scenes stats (AI/Search/etc).

                            But most of all, I want Kagi to remain profitable and not go away. That's the biggest reason why I got Ultimate.

                            Thank you for reading,
                            -Happy Kagi Customer

                              5 days later

                              I'm far from reaching it, but maybe a higher limit for the user ranking list?

                                Kagibeh I would always prefer a VPN service outside the Five, Nine, or Fourteen Eyes agreements.
                                But something like Startpage's anonymous view would be great. I have used that from time to time.

                                  I desperately hope kagi adds a vision llm in chat mode.

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                                    5 days later

                                    Vlad I am currently using it. It worked, but would be more efficient to polish it a bit more? for example, the vision llm should allow prompt and picture to be uploaded at the same time. I always need to wait for the research assistant to output something I probably don't want before I type in additional prompt. And there is no way to add a picture&document in the middle of a research. The previous conversion will reset once a pic is uploaded.

                                    So for Ultimate plan features, probably adding a working MLLM would be the best? No need for choosing, no need for a lot of conversion, just one place for a whole research project (and that's why storing previous conversation is quite crucial).

                                    In my personal opinion it would be best to enable ultimate plan user to have several custom assistant too. Currently only one is included?