The new Safari extension 2.0 does not work

sigmasirrus

Btw, looks like xSearch requires permissions on all websites now (iOS 17).

nompan

I’m switching to xSearch for now. I’ll switch back to Kagi’s extension when it’s working again. If you set xSearch to “override Safari engine” and set the mode to “blacklist”, it works well. Redirects are fast and reliable. It’s a bit cumbersome to set up, but it does the job.

I hope the Kagi team can get their extension sorted out soon, as I’d prefer to use it over xSearch.

andreagrandi

The query leak has been an issue from the beginning and my understanding is that it's an iOS/Safari limitation, not a Kagi bug. That's why I made sure to set DuckDuckGo as my default search engine. I trust them, I was using them before and I don't mind if something gets leaked to them. I do mind if I leak to Google instead.

toni

andreagrandi Based on what @metaeaux demonstrated couple messages above seems it is not iOS/Safari limitation if implemented correctly (and search suggestions are disabled). I hope team takes this as priority after the basic functionality of the extension is fixed.

andreagrandi

toni I hope the provided example can be helpful to Kagi team, but let's try to adjust our expectations a little bit.

It's holidays season almost everywhere. Me and most of my colleagues for example won't back to work until Jan 8th and I'm expecting Kagi's team to be in the same situation, so let's give them time to fix this properly.

At least on MacOS everything seems to be working as usual (but I'm not sure if I updated the extension and I won't do it for now) and on iOS I can deal with DDG for a few more days.

podfrog

Hi all. Experiencing something I think may be similar - on iOS 17.2.1 with the lasted 2.0.2 version of the extension, Safari no longer automatically redirects to Kagi when searching in the address bar.

One thing that may possibly be a clue: I only updated to the new version of the extension after the previous version has stopped Redirecting. That got me hunting around to see what the problem might be, which is when I discovered there was even a new version to update to.

webba

Just adding my +1 to this thread - the new Safari iOS extension is quite bad. I have submitted the feedback to Apple under their feedback page for Safari on iOS https://www.apple.com/feedback/safari.html to get Kagi added as a choice of search engine.

Vlad

webba Thanks, ultiamtely we need to solve the problem at its root and this is exactly how to do it.

andreagrandi

webba I did it too a few weeks ago. They deserve an expensive fine from antitrust and the usual aut / aut from EU until they let people add a custom engine.

andreagrandi

Vlad I’m noticing from the posted videos that some of us have an ad block installed (me included). Could it be some incompatibility with other existing extensions?

kagiuser9219

Same deal as others. Using Safari extension 2.0.2 on iOS 17.2.1 on iPhone 15 Pro Max. Have Ecosia set as the search engine in Safari as well as the search engine in the extension.

Searching seems to only work if Safari is freshly launched. If I force-quit Safari and relaunch it, I can search for a few minutes, but if I later come back to Safari, all searches go to Ecosia and I have to force-quit the app again. It makes Kagi basically unusable. I never had any issues with the old extension. Video is included.

Xavez

andreagrandi I’m starting a test with all other extensions disabled. Had the same hypothesis… let’s see if it takes us anywhere.

timefrancesco

Same issue on here:

iOS 17.2.1
iPhone 15 Pro & iPad mini 6

The extension works after a fresh lunch but doesn't work when returning from background.
To replicate the issue:

Launch Safari -> Kagi works
Go back to home screen
Wait 15-20 mins, or open other memory intensive apps (games, camera, etc)
Reopen Safari -> Kagi doesn't work.

randomusername

If anyone is curious for alternatives, I've switched to using: "Search Engines for Safari" on MacOS and "Customize Search Engine" on iOS. The main benefit is that they only require permissions to DuckDuckGo instead of every webpage like Kagi. Even if this extension is fixed, I won't switch back unless the current permissions setting is changed, especially now that I know it's possible to avoid that.

"Search Engines for Safari": https://apps.apple.com/fr/app/search-engines-for-safari/id1588019370
"Customize Search Engine": https://apps.apple.com/fr/app/customize-search-engine/id6445840140

Edit: The permission section was incorrect, official extension has same permission setup.

andreagrandi

randomusername the new Kagi extension has been released exactly to solve that permission problem: it now only requires permissions to DuckDuckGo only.

Thanks for the suggestions anyway, but I'm curious: how does the extension behave with private Safari sessions?

randomusername

andreagrandi You're absolutely right, I was confused with how iOS extensions work. It showed "All Websites" with the ask / deny / allow options. I didn't realize that I could go to DuckDuckGo.com and only allow that website. I will edit my comment.

For your other question, It behaves the same as the Kagi extension, you put in your private session link in the app.

andreagrandi

randomusername I just tried "Customize Search Engine" on iOS. In normal session it works, but it's a bit slow and every time I can see that I'm being redirected from DDG (with Kagi extension you are still redirected but I never saw DDG before). Instead with the private session, I just get a blank page. Maybe I haven't filled those configuration fields correctly. Could you post a screen of how you configured it (hiding your session token of course) ? Thanks

randomusername

andreagrandi

In "top of url", I copy and paste my session url from Kagi account settings and put in the following:

https://kagi.com/search?token=abc&q=

I've appended &q=

Yes, the screen flashing is a bit of a bother.

nannat

Tested with all other extensions disabled; no dice. To reproduce:

Open Safari, do a normal search from the search bar: goes fine to Kagi
Exit the app, don't close it from the background
Wait an hour
Open Safari, do a normal search from the search bar: goes to DDG

And yes, I am using the latest version of the new iOS extension, and I am sure everything is configured correctly (DDG selected from Safari settings and from the Kagi app, all domains allowed for the Kagi extension).

andreagrandi

randomusername

've appended &q=

ah that's what I was missing, thanks!

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