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Problem: Currently !sum and !sumk have identical functions with both resolving to the Key Moments page in Universal Summarizer. I frequently find that all I need is the Summary rather than the Key Moments, but there is no way to use a bang to go directly to the Summary page. As a result, I end up doing two summarizations (first for Key Moments via the !sum/!sumk bang and then when I click "Summary" to get the Summary) when only one would have sufficed.

Proposed Solution: Have !sum resolve to the Summary page in Universal Summarizer and have !sumk resolve to the Key Moments page. Having !sum resolve to the Summary page seems intuitive to me since a summary is intuitively the default response of Universal Summarizer.

  • Vlad replied to this.
    CrunchyFritos changed the title to Bang for Universal Summarizer Summary vs. Key Moments .

      They just recently changed the default response to Key Moments lol

        CrunchyFritos We'd like to keep key moments default as this is what most people seem to have been using, switching from sumamry and inducing extra costs. You can of course create a custom bang that takes you to summary. Or we add a new default bang that goes straight to summary - what would it be?

            Ah, that makes sense. I was wondering why there was both a “!sum” AND a “!sumk” bang if they both just did the same thing.

            The easiest solution seems to be to just making a custom bang to override “!sum” to differentiate it from “!sumk.” I’m guessing just doing a custom override makes the most sense in general, that way you keep the default to what's used the most (thereby reducing costs) and since users can override to do other things like get a target language as well (no need to make default bangs for different languages, etc.)

            For anyone else who’s interested, the custom bang I set for !sum is https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html?url=%s&target_language=EN&summary=summary

            On a side note, is there a simple heuristic for when people tend to use Key Moments vs. Summary? I found I tend to use Key Moments if I’m trying to answer a specific question from the document or site, but that I use Summary when trying to figure out if a particular e.g. long-form article or paper is worth reading at all.

              Vlad I do find key moments produce more satisfactory results in more occasions, but think it could’ve been named key points instead since it doesn’t necessarily produce a timeline as I originally assumed. Hopefully there could be more transparency on how these two modes are instructed to work in the docs.

                  I think it would be good to have three bangs: !sum, !sumk, and !summ. The second and third would always take you to key moments and summary, respectively. The first would take you to whatever you'd configured as your own personal default in Kagi’s settings (a setting which I don't think currently exists, but should be added). At the very least, though, there should be at least one bang for the actual summary; it's a bit silly that Key Moments has two bangs and Summary has none.

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